1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,960 This is Harf Morgan and once again this is program PM. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,200 You can tell from our rather outer space is sounding music right there. 3 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,360 That's where we're going right now into outer space of the subject there of ufology round 4 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,680 table of the air unidentified flying objects flying soft if you want to be a 5 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,360 little bit more down to earth and on hand tonight a member of our regular 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,240 UFO roundtable panel Earl Maff Bob Rowe began his weathered end up there in 7 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,240 Strongsville tonight you made an okay I see you're 8 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:55,560 that's right happy 4,666 to all of our I think that's the year our listeners of 9 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Chinese extraction numbered among which certainly is not Mr. Wesley Fitch who's 10 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,400 here with us on the UFO roundtable night Wesley what is your interest 11 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,040 generally in UFO how did you get interested in the ufology I became 12 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,680 interested about seven years ago the southern West Virginia Southern 13 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,000 Monster case I think was the first one that ever really rose my interest hey 14 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,400 that's the one we're talking about last week what is the name of that 15 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,720 confounded thing there was a name for it the something that southern southern 16 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,560 West Virginia monster the second that's the name I can't make out that 17 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:33,080 that was quite a case where the aroma I use that word instead of the stink 18 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,640 or the aroma clung for several days as I understand it but this was your 19 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:45,480 beginning point that's right that's the first thing that I ever heard about 20 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,640 that UFO I was working in Charleston West Virginia at the time and a young man 21 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,120 with an all night radio program down there he was first and oh yeah used to 22 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,800 have a lot of discussions about UFO nice to talk with you about it is so nice 23 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,200 yeah he's still there that's all these years well and that your specialty area 24 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,200 though has been along collecting visual proof or evidence that's right and 25 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,800 goodness gracious have you got it oh for 16 weeks I've held out against these 26 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,760 two guys I've held out against Earl and I held out against Bob and you know 27 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,920 knocking down every picture is not as a sure fraud but at least the possibility 28 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:29,400 existed that there was fraud connected with the pictures that I've seen 29 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,440 they've been good ones about mom was convincing but nothing I'm afraid Earl 30 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,520 as I've seen here tonight now let me explain to the listeners that has put 31 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,280 out before us here Mr. Pitch has a big collection of pictures let's see no 32 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,600 let's suppose you take it from here just for a few moments and let's go over 33 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:49,120 this first most authentic picture in your estimation can you explain that yeah 34 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,440 this is the front page of a photograph copy of the telegraph register of 35 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Menville, Oregon on 30 June 8th 1950 the top article reads that the long 36 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:07,880 life the panic photographs of a flying saucer two views are shown here of the 37 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,920 picture that farmer Trent took of this object which was hovering over his 38 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:19,240 farm in the middle of Oregon and Frank Edwards of WTTV Indianapolis or at least 39 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:24,040 formula there made the statement that in his opinion these were the two most 40 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,880 authentic pictures of flying saucer in existence let me just interrupt along 41 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:33,040 to say the fact that he is formally there had no nothing to do with flying 42 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,840 saucers he's now with one of the networks in New York I believe isn't he was 43 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,560 that's right mm-hmm now these pictures are just astounding to me here this 44 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,760 thing is hanging up there and the sky someone could say well it looks real but 45 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,880 it's probably fraud what convinces you as it's not because of the facts around 46 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:59,240 him that farmer Trent and his wife gave a very authentic sounding account of how 47 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,960 they got home this late afternoon got out of the car the door in the yard and 48 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,760 saw the thought of recovering in the sky at the rear of their farm and they had 49 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,720 been taking pictures that a picnic and had two negatives left in the camera and 50 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,320 he quickly diced out from the backyard and stopped these two views one of the 51 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,800 object was stationary over his farm and the other as it started to move and caught 52 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,680 these two different photos let me just for money while you're getting other 53 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,840 stuff for describe this this is a picture of the negative right here taking the 54 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:36,600 extra negative the larger picture shows a conventional farm with the bar in 55 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,960 there and the the the wires and the mill bowl there and the mailboxes there up in 56 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:46,080 the sky you see what is irrevocably a flying object of some kind it's round 57 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,080 looks like a saucer now the other angle of it shows that it is more narrow at 58 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,840 the top than it is at the bottom which is a conventional picture you get 59 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:56,560 definitely show the protrusion which might have been an antenna as you will 60 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,720 notice on the top there this is the second photo they snapped as it turned 61 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,560 to leave this is one time and I wish for a moment we could borrow one of the 62 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,720 assets of the television medium and show people this well now while I am 63 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,680 looking over some more of these pictures to talk to listeners about and I'm sure 64 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,640 that the Earl wants to see some too let's check in what's been going on during 65 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,920 the course of this class week well among other things we had a couple of 66 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,840 flying saucer reports Earl now you had some calls at home about these reports 67 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:31,280 didn't you yes I did I had stopped in the other afternoon as you recall to talk 68 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:37,360 with you and at that time I learned that Fred so that I said called you the 69 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,800 night before I had spoken with him on the phone just a moment or two before he 70 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,000 had gotten this call and told me I was leaving the house and so he called you 71 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,000 then then it was these boys we talked with tonight isn't that correct right 72 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,800 and when I call the boys they are Anthony Malama and Harold McMahon both of 73 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,800 them from the bottom of the sky and I was talking to them just moments ago to 74 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,440 find out about this sighting of an unidentified flying object that took 75 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,640 place on Monday evening as I understand the time with somewhere between 7 and 8 76 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,680 o'clock Monday evening and here's the conversation as I started it with 77 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,440 Harold McMahon well we'll set that for me to call you that you had this 78 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,160 signing the other night oh yeah we're a tape recording you know if you tell me 79 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:27,240 about what happened how did you come about well well let me just explain 80 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:35,240 this is another flying saucer report we had this is not Anthony Malama or Harold 81 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:40,160 McMahon this is Mr. Summers Mr. Norm Summers this was what I was going to 82 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:46,000 tell you about this is a Mr. Norm Summers who cited one last night and the 83 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,960 time I believe well we'll find the time on the tape 84 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,520 I'll go set that for me to call you that you had this signing the other night oh yeah 85 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,080 we're a tape recording you know if you tell me about what happened how does it 86 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:10,440 come about well I was just going home with about 10 30 and our driveway is uphill and I was building up hill and I saw this ball of green fire at least it looked like fire 87 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:19,120 I would say oh the side of a nickel held at arm's length and it had a cone shaped orange or yellow 88 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,080 Can you talk to a louder please Norm? Alright 89 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,280 Can you talk to a louder please? 90 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,560 Yeah it had an orange shaped cone or an orange colored cone shaped tail 91 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:36,840 coming out behind and it came from almost directly overhead and was down 92 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,040 very similar to a shooting star or meteorite 93 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Could it not have done a meteorite or a shooting star? 94 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,840 Well it didn't seem to be like anything I've ever seen before 95 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,840 It seemed like it seemed before 96 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,640 and it would break me, it would break me and it went down below the horizon 97 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,040 That was the last I had seen it 98 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Now about how long did all this take? 99 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Oh two or three seconds 100 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,040 Just two or three seconds 101 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,240 Yes, I first I thought it was a flare but it was going much too fast for them 102 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,240 and I caught five I didn't know what to think about it 103 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Had you ever seen a flying object before? 104 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,240 No, no I haven't 105 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,240 I've been off for years 106 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,240 What was your impression of this? 107 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,240 What no, at least you got a couple days to think it over 108 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,240 What do you think this was? 109 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Well, I talked to Bob about it 110 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,440 and we discussed possibility of fall lightning 111 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,440 since it was so cold and we were at 12.00 on that night 112 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,440 it was very clear and dry and we thought it might be that 113 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,440 Now about what time was it? 114 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,440 It was about 10.30 115 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,440 And I just remember that I couldn't come up with anything 116 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,440 Okay, well let's say this was 10.30 117 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,440 It was Tuesday night, right? 118 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Tuesday night or Wednesday night? 119 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,640 Wednesday night 120 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,640 So if anyone else had the same experience 121 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,640 and the location of that again, Norm? 122 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,640 Right above North Royal 123 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,640 I teach science at North Royal 124 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,640 My class is here and I heard one other fellow 125 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,640 who had seen it last night too 126 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,640 It's the same fellow 127 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,640 Well, again let me repeat that 128 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,640 to the moment ago that if anyone else or you're sawing that receding thing again 129 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,640 you might throw the UFO report center 130 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,840 I didn't throw it off here at the KYW for Rain PM 131 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,840 UFO report center number is 234 132 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,840 We'd like to coordinate these things 133 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,840 Thank you very much Norm, we're talking to you 134 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Okay 135 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,840 Now let's check in with the earlier sighting 136 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,840 That was Norm Summers who sighted sighting last night 137 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,840 and you heard him give the time 138 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,840 I think about 10.30, you said early didn't he? 139 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Well I'm about 10.30 140 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,840 Now Monday night 141 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,840 Now the reason I'm making a point of the time 142 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,840 because after both of these are over 143 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,840 I have something that I haven't told earlier 144 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,040 or Mr. Wesley Fitch 145 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,040 It's kind of a surprise 146 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Alright, now Monday night 147 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,040 this was the sighting that took place 148 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,040 Harold, can you tell me 149 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,040 just exactly how you sighted this 150 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,040 unidentified flying object on Monday night? 151 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,040 What were the circumstances? Where were you? 152 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,040 We were out in his yard 153 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,040 And who's your? 154 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,040 Tony's yard 155 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,040 Tony Marama? 156 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,040 And we were 157 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,040 he has a 4.5 inch 158 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,240 We were looking at the constellations 159 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,240 and we were up in the sight this 160 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,240 object and 161 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,240 at the time it seemed to be standing still 162 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,240 and 163 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,240 it slowly 164 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,240 started to move 165 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,240 and 166 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,240 it was a bright object 167 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,240 and 168 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,240 it was one of the brightest things in the sky 169 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,240 and 170 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,240 it was moving pretty fast 171 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,240 you know, it was moving pretty fast 172 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,440 for me it seemed 173 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,440 started to ride upward 174 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,440 and 175 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,440 it's been down a little bit 176 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,440 as it went up 177 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,440 and then 178 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,440 as it's been down it just went up 179 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,440 completely 180 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,440 and the whole time 181 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,440 I'd say it then lasted about 20 seconds 182 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,440 or maybe a little more 183 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,440 Alright, go ahead and speak to 184 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,440 20 for a second, please 185 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,440 Hello? 186 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,440 Tony 187 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,640 What color was the light that you saw Monday night? 188 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,640 I was a 189 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,640 bluish white 190 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Was it any distinctive 191 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,640 distinctive shape or anything? 192 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,640 No, it wasn't 193 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,640 It was just a blurry light? 194 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:27,640 Yes 195 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,640 A point of light 196 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,640 No, unless you saw it, please 197 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Is there any way in your own mind 198 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,640 I take it that you're 199 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,640 an astronomy fan? 200 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,640 You're an amateur astronomy 201 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,640 You're an amateur astronomy 202 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,840 Do you believe, in fact, that these words 203 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,840 that this was a flying saucer that you saw 204 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:47,840 of some kind? 205 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,840 Well, I don't think I'm qualified to 206 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,840 actually say that it was 207 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,840 it was not a flying saucer 208 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,840 but it was 209 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,840 surely not an airplane or anything 210 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,840 that an astronomy fan made 211 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,840 of an astronomy fan made 212 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,840 And you don't think it was an airplane then? 213 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Oh, I'm sure it was an airplane, no 214 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,840 There's nothing else to 215 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,040 In my estimate, now, one of our members 216 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,040 of the beautiful round table, I think 217 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,040 I would like to ask you a question 218 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,040 This is Earl Nuff, who's on every day of the night with me 219 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,040 I think he has a question he wants to ask you 220 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Tony? 221 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Yes 222 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,040 This is Earl Nuff speaking 223 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,040 I'd like to ask you this 224 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,040 You have a telescope, have you not? 225 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Yes, I do 226 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,040 You probably have a small finder on that 227 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,040 that you first locate your object 228 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,040 Yes, why so finest? 229 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Yes, what power is your scope? 230 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,040 My scope is 231 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,240 30 232 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,240 I use sometimes up to 180 233 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,240 I see, well then it's quite difficult 234 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,240 to get it into your scope even though you get it in your finder 235 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Isn't that true? 236 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,240 No, not especially 237 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Were you able to track it? 238 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,240 Well, for a very brief time 239 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,240 I see 240 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,240 And when you saw through the scope 241 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,240 did it look still as a light 242 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,240 or were you able to actually 243 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,240 identify any detail? 244 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,240 No detail 245 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,440 Thank you very much 246 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Tony? 247 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,440 Yes 248 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,440 Thanks very much to you and Harold for joining us 249 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,440 on our youthful round table on program 250 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,440 PNR, if you have any other settings 251 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,440 like this or if you know anyone else 252 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,440 who has any settings 253 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,440 you might call us 254 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,440 and also call the youthful report center 255 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,440 the number is 234 256 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,440 Okay? 257 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,440 Thank you very much 258 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,440 Tony? 259 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,440 And right now it's 10.45 260 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,440 15 minutes to go 261 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,640 So we're talking about the youthfuls 262 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,640 on program PM 263 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,640 and speaking of youthfuls 264 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,640 I think this has a very definite tie in 265 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:45,640 A question 266 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Want to keep up with all the arts? 267 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,640 Well, show magazine has it down to a science 268 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,640 Each monthly issue of show magazine 269 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,640 Views, previews and reviews 270 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,640 All of the most important happenings 271 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,640 in the theater, motion picture, art galleries 272 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:58,640 Books and music 273 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,640 As seen by many of America's foremost writers 274 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,640 critics and commentators 275 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,640 In addition, the current issue of show magazine 276 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,840 Tomorrow, your husband 277 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,840 A shocking news story by Graham Greene 278 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,840 Tennessee Williams' mother writes a memorable account 279 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,840 of the famous playwrights' childhood 280 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,840 and Max Lerner, C.S. 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311 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,040 Well, there's been some questions 312 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,040 over a period of time 313 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,040 relative to that one dimension 314 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,040 I made one time 315 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,040 that was case number 12 316 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,040 in the Project Blue Book 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,040 and where a man was seen 318 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,040 head and shoulders 319 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,040 and through our own Mr. Fitz 320 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,040 who is visiting us here tonight 321 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,040 that I did get the balance of that information 322 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,040 and it'll only take a moment to mention 323 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,040 so I thought I should mention to take this time 324 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,040 The party 325 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,040 who took the picture 326 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,040 who told the story I should say 327 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,040 I wasn't able to tell at the time 328 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,040 who it was but it was Bill Squires 329 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,040 of Pittsburgh, Kansas 330 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,040 he's a musician 331 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,040 and he's on a TV station 332 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,040 in Pittsburgh, Kansas 333 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,040 the object rose straight up 334 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,040 and out of sight 335 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,040 in 30 to 45 seconds 336 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,040 and in a letter that he wrote to our friend 337 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,040 Mr. Fitz 338 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,040 back in November 339 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,040 on November 15th, 1960 340 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,040 he made this comment 341 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,040 he said he was visited by 342 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,040 one man from Washington 343 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,040 along with receiving many phone calls 344 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,040 and he said that 345 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,040 if at any time I see anything again 346 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,040 and it turns out to be from outer space 347 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,040 and if there is any way 348 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,040 I can talk to them 349 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,040 I'll try my best to get them 350 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,040 to take me back with them 351 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,040 maybe they don't pay as much 352 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,040 as much taxes as we do here 353 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,040 I mean the law of the 354 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,040 I just wanted to check that 355 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,040 as long as Wes was here tonight 356 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,040 this kind of reminds me 357 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,040 of Colonel Lorenzen wasn't it 358 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,040 telling us about the kidnapping 359 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,040 about the kidnapping 360 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,040 that bulletin has not yet come out 361 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,040 but I do remember seeing a letter 362 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,040 that Wes had the other night from 363 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,040 Carl and I think she's 364 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,040 getting pretty close to the 365 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,040 publishing point of that 366 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,040 we would wait for her official 367 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,040 report, I'm not delving into that 368 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,040 that could be the second advantage of having 369 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Mr. Fitz here on hand 370 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,040 now friends I have seen in the last few minutes 371 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,040 more astounding photographs 372 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,040 that just amaze me because 373 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,040 after 15 or 16 weeks 374 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,040 I've still been holding off very strongly 375 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,040 on the verge of convincing me that there's something to this 376 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,040 now why do these 377 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,040 looks so very very real to me 378 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,040 Wes? I say because they are 379 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,040 well we are that now 380 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,040 this is a picture of a field 381 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,040 above it is this flying 382 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,040 object hovering 383 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,040 over the field and you have 384 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,040 other angles of the same picture up here 385 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,040 what pictures do these represent 386 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,040 and what are they from? Well these are called the stock photos 387 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,040 taken to say New Jersey 388 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,040 back in 1950 389 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,040 this man 390 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,040 took seven photos of this 391 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,040 object that he saw over his backyard 392 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,040 he got 393 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,040 four particular good ones of which I have copies here 394 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,040 one shows it to be 395 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,040 somewhat of a hat shaped object as you will know 396 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,040 and 397 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,040 another one, again another 398 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,040 view of the same this was low 399 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,040 that's right very low 400 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,040 there is a tillard shows a white 401 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,040 rim of the black center this is from the bottom 402 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,040 now this shows the whole bottom of the 403 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,040 house 404 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,040 and the car right below it 405 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,040 looking so real like the flying saucer 406 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,040 just an everyday common 407 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,040 occurrence there's a car and a telephone pole 408 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,040 and everything up in the sky 409 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,040 it would have been very difficult to take those photos 410 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,040 there is another view of it 411 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,040 as it was leaving 412 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,040 and what about this one over here 413 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,040 this is a different one taking over the foothills 414 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,040 of California by a passing motorist 415 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,040 a man named Weston who 416 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,040 named a scene that's how the object can jump from his car 417 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,040 and quickly snap this photo 418 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040 you can see the hills in the background 419 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,040 with this hat shaped 420 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,040 flying object right there hovering over it 421 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,040 a solar band 422 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,040 there appears to be a solar band around the center of it 423 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,040 now 424 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,040 another, there's a couple more I want to get to 425 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,040 but here's one here that I've seen before 426 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,040 I didn't copy it, this one seems a little bit clear 427 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,040 this is a picture 428 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,040 of four rings 429 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,040 of light, blurs of light up in the air 430 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,040 I'll be very quick to say 431 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,040 this is one that didn't completely impress me 432 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,040 it looks like 433 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,040 Los Amos took a picture and then they took a little thing 434 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,040 and they stuck a hole in the negative 435 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,040 and they let some light through there to produce this 436 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,040 there's definitely a room for argument on that 437 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,040 or question, I agree with you 438 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,040 isn't that the one from the postcard though 439 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,040 this is the part that surprises me 440 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,040 one is superimposing the other 441 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,040 one of them does look larger 442 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,040 this is from the US Coast Guard 443 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,040 official US Coast Guard photograph 444 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,040 the US Coast Guard very quickly I'll give you a resume of this 445 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,040 photographer at the Salem mass air station 446 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,040 made this phenomenal photograph at 9.35 a.m. 447 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,040 July 16th, 1952 448 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,040 through a window screen 449 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,040 he was in the station's photo lab 450 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,040 preparing to clean the camera 451 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,040 we noticed several brilliant lights in the sky 452 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,040 he watched them for five or six seconds 453 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,040 then called another Coast Guard's man in nearby sick bay 454 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,040 to come and see the strain, well that might explain it 455 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,040 in the other camera, sick, and these few seconds 456 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,040 the brilliant white of the lights had dimmed somewhat 457 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,040 when it suddenly brightened again 458 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,040 he grabbed the camera, clicked the shutter 459 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,040 and it was the result 460 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,040 well it's a kind of thing that you have to see to know why 461 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,040 there are room for reservations 462 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,040 well it's over here now 463 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,040 there's some color photographs 464 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,040 this is something I've never seen before 465 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,040 color photographs of flying objects 466 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,040 what is this one? 467 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,040 this one was taken by a pilot of the Royal Canadian Air Force 468 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,040 a pilot's name was King 469 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,040 George Popovitz 470 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,040 of the Akron Group 471 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,040 obtained that, had a copy right 472 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,040 direct from the pilot 473 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,040 and I in turn had that copy made from his negative 474 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,040 now this is a picture of a 475 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,040 ring of puppy looking 476 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,040 willow-eak clouds down through 477 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,040 one of the dark pockets in the cloud 478 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,040 you can see this light object 479 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,040 that looks very much like a flying saucer 480 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,040 but it seems more like light 481 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,040 coming from a flying object 482 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,040 why is there always light 483 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,040 emanating from these objects 484 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,040 well the theory is that that could be the force field 485 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,040 surrounding the object 486 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,040 and it's a reaction on the photographic negative 487 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,040 why then and some 488 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,040 why in some of the photographs 489 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,040 is it perfectly clear flying objects 490 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,040 and most of them comes out as a 491 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,040 light blur 492 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,040 that's a good question one which I find to attempt to answer 493 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,040 because I notice the same thing 494 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,040 someone comes out as a blur and others have a very distinct 495 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,040 and sharp outline of the disease we have seen 496 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,040 have they turned off their force field 497 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,040 maybe a pressure or what? 498 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,040 couldn't you explain it this way that many times 499 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,040 when they're over an airplane 500 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,040 or a car 501 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,040 and they're all in a position 502 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,040 then again they can be right beside 503 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,040 or over it and they don't stop 504 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,040 so I presume that it is that very thing 505 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,040 that they do turn it on 506 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,040 or they do not turn it on 507 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,040 let's check a couple of the others 508 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,040 now this one is one that 509 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,040 that I didn't see before 510 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,040 that's an object taking over 511 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,040 the white Sam's 512 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,040 proving grounds in Almagora, New Mexico 513 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,040 now this one is either leaving or 514 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,040 I'll technician there at the station 515 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,040 I tried it was in motion traveling at the time 516 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,040 that was photographed 517 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,040 that would lend authenticity to it 518 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,040 it did blur a little 519 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,040 that was released and sent out by 520 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,040 a friend of Carl Lorenzen 521 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,040 I think that's direct from her 522 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,040 and in those color photographs 523 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,040 I might say it would be most difficult 524 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,040 and impossible to do 525 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,040 a faking job when you're working 526 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,040 from your original negative 527 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,040 if I'm not careful I'm going to lose my perch on this one 528 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,040 this one looked to me 529 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,040 like a model for a new hotel 530 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,040 going up on the shores of Miami Beach 531 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,040 when I first looked at it because it looks like a three-decker 532 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,040 or either a three-deck flying object 533 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,040 or a three-flying object 534 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,040 staggered one behind the other 535 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,040 and where was this taken 536 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,040 this was taken in Ventura California 537 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,040 right in the Sanborn in 1957 538 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,040 now let's see 539 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,040 this is so very very low 540 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,040 so it's sitting right there 541 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,040 on top of this big cluster of houses 542 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,040 now one of the 543 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,040 things I notice about this 544 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,040 is that over here 545 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,040 let me get this thing on a little bit 546 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,040 over here in the corner it looks like 547 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,040 a police car 548 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,040 or some car there with a marking on the side 549 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,040 other cars but no people anywhere 550 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,040 do you know what I'm saying 551 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,040 why are there no people staring up at this place 552 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,040 if this object in fact is sitting there 553 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,040 I'm sure the streets would be filled with people 554 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,040 I think that this is the photograph 555 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040 is it not that I mentioned 556 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,040 a party where you could send for 557 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,040 at West and 558 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,040 this particular woman 559 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,040 had never before seen one 560 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,040 she had only a very 561 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,040 inexpensive camera with her 562 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,040 but it had car film in it 563 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,040 and it was with that camera that she 564 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,040 snapped this shot 565 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,040 why were there no people around 566 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,040 looking up at this thing 567 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,040 it's right over there 568 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,040 and the Sanborn made the comment 569 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,040 in this no rise affidavit 570 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,040 that she and her sister 571 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,040 were driving to the Englewood 572 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,040 Los Angeles airport at the time 573 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,040 when they saw this object 574 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040 and she quickly got out of her car 575 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,040 had car film in her camera and snapped it 576 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,040 now she took these houses 577 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,040 of course included in the view 578 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,040 and this thing could just 579 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,040 arrived there momentarily to the extent 580 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040 that no one had emerged from their houses 581 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,040 at the moment she pulled off the highway 582 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,040 and took the photograph 583 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040 it could have all happened just one, two, three 584 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040 it didn't have to be hovering there 585 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040 for a half an hour that people could have seen it 586 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,040 I'll tell you very quickly 587 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,040 in the limited time we have left let's get to a couple more 588 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040 one that impressed me rather 589 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,040 was the one taken by a girl 590 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,040 this is the one we've discussed before 591 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,040 so let's save that press for another time 592 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,040 we might have to be back again because you got so much material here 593 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040 but one taken by a girl 594 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,040 you had wonderful black and white ones 595 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040 there before and you mentioned that 596 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,040 Don Brill and George Shuba had taken 597 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,040 and they're the ones who have done a lot of work 598 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,040 for me too 599 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,040 to get the good clear results from the negatives 600 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,040 here are the Sharon Hogue photos 601 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,040 Sharon Hogue of Alcantara, California 602 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,040 18 year old girl, the time 603 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,040 the daughter of a minister 604 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,040 taking time exposures of the full moon 605 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040 15 minute time exposures 606 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,040 so the camera popped up against the base of the tree 607 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,040 while she would go inside and play the organ 608 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,040 and then come out and turn it up for another 15 minute exposure 609 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,040 and did not see this object at all 610 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,040 but when her film was developed 611 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040 it showed up in one of the negatives 612 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,040 my logical question to this one would be 613 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,040 if she had the exposure on 614 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,040 for 15 minutes 615 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,040 and this flying object is situated 616 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,040 up here in the sky perfectly out 617 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,040 line as if it's standing perfectly still 618 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,040 you can even see the ribs 619 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,040 in the structure of the object 620 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,040 if it was on for 15 minutes white 621 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,040 why wasn't there a blur it had to come and go 622 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,040 it just didn't materialize 623 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,040 all of a sudden did it could you explain why there wouldn't be any blur 624 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,040 Earl? 625 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,040 I would say that frequently 626 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,040 however they're standing quite emotionless 627 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,040 and then when they do move 628 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,040 they move very rapidly now if this is a 629 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,040 15 minute exposure 630 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,040 it's understandable that there would be nothing showing 631 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,040 while it was moving because it moves so rapidly 632 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,040 then it stops still 633 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,040 you would like to be a suggestion of a blur 634 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,040 not necessarily 635 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,040 not that that long exposure at night 636 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,040 I'm still a little critical 637 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,040 I would be on that 638 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,040 if there's a photo of that type there is room for question 639 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,040 if there's possible hoax 640 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,040 not about reproach on that 641 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,040 but collectively 642 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,040 now you just turned the page 643 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,040 you have turned to a page that to me 644 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,040 these I've seen before 645 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,040 it's a picture of a flying object situated on the 646 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,040 sand with rocks 647 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,040 and all behind it but this one looks like it could be 648 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,040 a photographer's 649 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,040 mock-up you know doesn't it to you? 650 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,040 yes I admit that possibility 651 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,040 but how about the man 652 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,040 a tabletop miniature something of that miniature 653 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,040 what about the man in back of these photographs 654 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,040 this means a lot often doesn't it 655 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,040 the people who stand behind them 656 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,040 oh yes, Montregazi was 657 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,040 supposedly a very reputable man 658 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,040 I mean there are not in every field 659 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,040 that is correct 660 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,040 what was he a member of or do you recall 661 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,040 the editing society is an honorary society 662 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,040 right you know just a 663 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040 in Italy very honorarily 664 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,040 I just looked up at the clock and was amazed 665 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,040 that our entire half hour of our youthful round table 666 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,040 has elapsed once again it seems to fly by 667 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,040 every Thursday night and 668 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,040 we have to make room now for the KYW 669 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,040 news which is standing by and then the 670 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040 Tom Griffith show but just before we go 671 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,040 now let me remind you as we're talking about things up there 672 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,040 in the sky well some good news for budget minded 673 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040 vacationers yes and there's a definite 674 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040 relationship to things in the sky because now 675 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,040 you can take a winter vacation in beautiful 676 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,040 sunny Florida and you can 677 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,040 fly there not by youthfuls 678 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,040 but at rock bottom fairs on eastern 679 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040 airlines economical airbus service 680 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,040 just think about that now you can fly non-stop 681 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,040 to Tampa st. Petersburg for just 682 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,040 $38 one stop to Miami for 683 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,040 only $54 and these low fares 684 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,040 include all the tax too now you 685 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,040 can afford that winter vacation in the sunshine 686 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,040 state when you fly eastern thrifty 687 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,040 airbus well you know eastern's airbus 688 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,040 is actually less expensive than driving 689 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,040 and just look at all the time you save too 690 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,040 extra time that you can spend on one of Florida 691 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,040 sun drenched beaches now if you want to use 692 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,040 a car while you're down there in Florida eastern 693 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,040 will be glad to make all arrangements for a rental car 694 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040 for you make your plans right now 695 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,040 to take a winter vacation on eastern's 696 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,040 airbus to Florida airbus reservations 697 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,040 are made only through the purchase of a ticket 698 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,040 from your travel agent or any eastern 699 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,040 airlines ticket office 700 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,040 my thanks very much to Earl Nuffigan for joining 701 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,040 me on the youthful roundtable I regret the absence 702 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,040 tonight Bob Grove a rather 703 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,040 youthful panelist and thanks 704 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,040 a million to West Fitch who 705 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,040 has shown me some photographs tonight that 706 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,040 I would previously considered 707 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,040 unbelievable West can you please stop 708 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,040 again sometimes very happy to be our 709 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,040 I would certainly appreciate it Earl any last two 710 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,040 minutes I was going to tell and I hope 711 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040 some future time 712 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,040 about a UFO that went over the United States 713 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,040 back in the eighteen hundreds before we got 714 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,040 off the ground by the right now you got a promise 715 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,040 okay 716 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,040 right now we'll have the weather 717 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,040 for you and just a moment first and very familiar music